It's a sad day for Yankees fans as we are forced to realize it is the end of the Joe Torre era in the Bronx; lots of newspaper headlines shout the infamous New York City "Shove It!" rallying cry.
In moving beyond the crassness of the New York newspaper headlines, we
are left to wonder what happened?
Why did the Yankees management suddenly become penny wise and pound-foolish? They've never before quibbled over a dime let alone multi-million dollar contracts. When would any manager -- forget the millions of dollars at stake -- accept $5.00 for a job he just finished doing for $7.50? The Yankees decided after 12 years they were tired of Joe Torre -- but they didn't want to stand up and fire him. They wanted to lowball Joe into "rejecting" their offer so they could retain face and make Torre look like the bad guy.
Why did the Yankees management suddenly become penny wise and pound-foolish? They've never before quibbled over a dime let alone multi-million dollar contracts. When would any manager -- forget the millions of dollars at stake -- accept $5.00 for a job he just finished doing for $7.50? The Yankees decided after 12 years they were tired of Joe Torre -- but they didn't want to stand up and fire him. They wanted to lowball Joe into "rejecting" their offer so they could retain face and make Torre look like the bad guy.
Twelve straight years of making the playoffs was not enough for Yankees management. What good manager would stand in line to take a job where the people you are working for only expect winning the World Series every other year as appropriate job performance? Only the money hungry and the fame seeking would now wish to manage the Yankees and neither of those "managerial traits" will take the team back to The World Series.
What Joe Torre brought to the Yankees was an identifiably good heart and he protected his players from the wrath of the ownership. Now, without that blanket of fire protectant -- expect many of your favorite Yankees players like Posada, and Clemens and A-Rod and Rivera and Pettitte to be gone for greener pastures because the glue sticking the team together was just run out of town by a group of spineless and insignificant managers who think they know more about baseball and winning than Joe Torre. So Long, Joe. We knew you. We'll miss you.
i hate the yankees but like joe and it was easy to root for them with him as manager
I think you're on point, arin. Joe made the Yankees likable again.
yeah i keep hearing posada might move over to the mets and that would be fine
Losing Posada would be devastating to the Yankees right off, arin. You're right that the Mets would be smart to grab him. He's a difference maker for sure!
End of the yanks. wont win again until the Steinbrenners sell the team. should've made joe manager for life.
I think we're in for a long, gloomy, run, Karvain. You don't kill a good heart with an unprepared empty one. I hope Joe manages again. He says he will but I think he won't.
Steinbrenner always made the Yanks about him and not the team. He hired the golden goose and just slit his throat. Itll be a long painful bleed out
It's the end of the Jeter era, too, I fear. He'll play for a long time, but his best days, and best ally, are behind him now. So sad.
I'm a Mets fan too, but I liked Joe. It was obvious he cared a lot about his players. I will miss him, too.
Hi Marie --
I appreciate your support for Joe. Maybe he'll move over and manage the Mets and take all the free agent Yankees with him? :mrgreen:
I would love that, actually.
I know! :wink:
Hi David,
I fell in love with football (I mean football, not soccer) after watching "Remember the Titans" -
A successful coach is a people person first, then a trainer.
I feel for the Yankees.
You're right that football is a great game, Katha!
Yes, I agree the Yankees have no idea what they just forcibly let go. I know George Steinbrenner thought Joe always got too much credit for the team's success -- but it was because of Joe that they re-found so many golden opportunities to recreate their greatness.
This is what happens always - the management seems to see an imagined Fracenstine and larger than life image in a good manager - same as corporate politics.
Sad.
Well said, Katha! So right! And I have no idea how someone like Joe could ever say enough -- "I did nothing, it was all the Steinbrenners..." -- and be convincing to anyone! You're stuck in a success that isn't enough for greedy owners and instead of walking away you keep trying to fight it out... until you can take no more...
Sometimes we fail to appreciate what we have with us and take things for granted - unless we miss it.
You said it so right, Katha! Joe wanted to stay with the team to make the transition from the old stadium to the new stadium and that would've taken a two-year deal.
The Yankees only offered one year with a "maybe" for a second if they felt up to it.
It was pretty obvious that the big plan was to pin the old, bad, losses on Joe and cut him loose as the Yankees dawned a new era in the new stadium. Joe was smart to get out now to avoid the humiliation a year from now.
True - good for him.
We will see what happens to the Yankees - it is said that nature abhors the vacuum - let's see how!
My best wishes to the team!
Good advice, Katha.
I realize I have really only been a day-to-day hardcore Yankees fan with Joe at the helm. I don't really know the team in any other context that with Joe in the mix.
Sure, I remember the mayhem days of Billy Martin from my childhood -- but the modern day experience is one with Torre leading the charge.
I loved how Joe was always professional, cool, neutral in all circumstances. He was a leader with character and class and charisma!
I'm not sure he'll ever manage again. He can only sully his reputation taking on a lousy team.
Here's the news from Joe's press conference today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/19/sports/baseball/19cnd-torre.html
Joe was classy saying goodbye today. I miss him already.
Yeah. It's a still a sad day in YankeesLand. For a long time, I think.
It all sounds rather underhand, cowardly and nasty - anyway you can change the *financial management* and bring back Joe ?
You're right, Nicola, it is underhanded and nasty and Joe basically implied that in his press conference yesterday.
He said over the past three years his average salary was $6.3 million -- so to take $5 million and having the "incentives" hanging over your head every day to see if you hit $8 million with a return to the Word Series or not -- was something he could not abide.
Joe felt he performed well over the last 12 years and the new offer felt probationary to him.
We're stuck with Steinbrenner and his two sycophant sons. Together they own and run the Yankees and the rest of New York suffers in their public miscues and tantrums.